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Question-whiteShould the Snag Bar be available without Facebook connect?

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by Amy Wong - Apr 21, 2010 Star_s1,837 views

OK, I'm getting maybe 10-15 emails today from people saying that their neighbors found out that they connected to this site using Facebook connect and are like "please take me off the list! my neighbors are mad!" or "I don't want to be associated with you!" (oh the drama!) I guess they are accused of being a cheater because their neighbors think they have the Snag Bar. I'm responding to them with the instructions on how to remove the app (when you connect to a site using Facebook connect, it's considered that you have added an 'app' NOT the 'toolbar' itself- a bit unintuitive) and also that they can add other nicer people from our add me page.

Also, there were some people who wrote me that "if I download the toolbar, I'll show up on that list, can you fix it so I won't show up?" I guess what she meant was she would download it if nobody ever finds out that she has it. LOL

Another thing is that people who are shown to have connected to this site, include people who came just to join the community, maybe just to chat, or to request gifts - maybe some who don't want to use the toolbar but want to join the community. If they feel uncomfortable vising our site because of these accusations, would it stop them from visiting this site altogether? The Snag Bar is one of the big sell of Gamers Unite! but it's not the ONLY thing here, we have lots of great tips and the latest scoops on many games and there is nothing more important than a good community for a site like this.

I personally hate giving in to the noisy minorities, but you now how those mobs can be. So I was thinking what if we made the Snag Bar available without doing the Facebook connect. This way, nobody can find out if you have the toolbar or not, it's more sneaky and more back stabbing lol but might also make people more comfortable visiting this site. (well some people might accuse others anyway)

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Wow, this post was written about a month and a half ago, when the Snag Bar Saga had just begun. I clearly remember this day! I remember Viet and Shelby were answering and helping many people on the forum - I think Viet wasn't a moderator yet at that time. I also noticed Rich for the first time on this thread! :D Chao and Bebe were at the Facebook conference partying LOL, and I was writing this post because I didn't know how to deal with all the emails I was getting. It really feels more than a month and a half, it feels much longer than that.

I learned so much from all this controversy, and the community taught me that trying to please everybody is not the right thing to do. Again, let me put a quote from my favorite blog post by Tim Ferriss

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3. “Trying to get everyone to like you is a sign of mediocrity.” (Colin Powell)

“If you treat everyone the same and respond to everyone by apologizing or agreeing, you’re not going to be recognizing the best performers, and you’re not going to be improving the worst performers,” Ferriss says. “That guarantees you’ll get more behavior you don’t want and less you do.” That doesn’t mean never respond, Ferriss goes on to say, but be “tactical and strategic” when you do.

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Thanks again for all the support! :)

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I do, very actively, segregate people who are obviously abusing the bar - like the level 60 on my list who has boatloads of Rhode Island Reds sitting outside his coop, and routinely posts 20-30 completed collections a day. Doesn't take rocket science to do the math on that.

The only reason I even became aware of it was that I was testing out (the original) Farmer Brown's speed-up toolbar (which is great, btw) and fertilizing some of the higher-level farms. Amazing what a little observation tells you.

Your solution regarding the developers is a great one, but not a great example. I'm sure that Developer A was well aware of what Developer B was doing, and vice-versa. In actual gameplay, you never know who's using the bar, and you never know to what degree it's being used. It's sort of the Fight Club of FarmVille - the first rule of Snag Bar is you don't talk about Snag Bar...well...except in here.

I agree that the bar can help the lower-level players even more, and hopefully bring them up to a level quickly to a point where it's no longer necessary to grab everything, but my guess is that probably doesn't happen as early as would seem reasonable to most people.

Still, we'll agree to disagree on opting-out, I guess. It's FarmVille, not Modern Warfare 2. While there may be some dog-eat-dog about the gameplay, at the end of the day giving farmers the ability to exempt themselves from the snag bar would alleviate 90% the animosity that has grown towards GU. The wingnuts may collect a few less cowbells and rare eggs, but I think the difference would be minimal as there are many folks who are either unaware or simply don't care.

Granted there will always be that 10% who are just there to argue and not play at all, but unless you're really enjoying this battle and the accompanying publicity, I feel that the goodwill such a change would generate would go a long way towards finally putting all this nonsense to bed.

In the end, that's my only real concern. I'm sure doing *anything* to take the 'heat' off of those of us who have been so supportive of the GU concept and the right to associate would make for happy farmers all around.

Thanks for the comments and the dialog.

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i would love to be able to snag without logging into facebook it should still be the same email and password but just a stand alone that links your gifts to farmville

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Well said Next Smallthings

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Well thanks Farmer Brown for your thoughts! I can definitely see your points too. The snag bar can be abused if you don't use it right.

But I feel like the high level person you are talking about is just a bad mannered player even without the snag bar. Maybe they are the type of people who begs you to send them gifts but never returns,  and most probably won't even fertilize your farm - heck maybe won't even talk to you! I think there are 2 things you can do with people like this:

  1. exclude that person from snagging your item by setting the Facebook privacy
  2. take them off your friends list

Regarding 1, this is actually based on a true story :) Because we need to test the toolbar extensively, one of our develoepers will have the toolbar on solely for testing purpose. Meaning, he doesn't use the items, most of the time *gasp* it gets sold!! :D  So one of the other developer excluded this developer when posting items! :D Now how simple was that? :D

To be honest, I think the way Farmville feed works is dog eats dog, it's like somebody is holding a $100 bill across the street and everybody is trying to beat each other by kicking and shoving.  It's a tough game. You curse at the others when you don't get it. Thus the reason why some people you know who are normally nice get unhappy, violent and upset. That's just how the feed works. Even BEFORE the snag bar was invented, I was very frustrated. I kept saying "I can NEVER get the items! it's all GONE!" It was getting rediculous. Hey was everybody using the other bots?! :D

Anyway, personally I think the snag bar helps lower level people more. The high level people are mostly so full of items and they are very selective in what they want. My Facebook friends are 99% Gamers Unite! people and I'm level 30. I can still get plenty of items - the rare eggs, and sometimes even a rare foal. And I'm not fighting for it. The snag bar is! :D I also manually "like" the items and comment on them when the snag bar gets it for me. So, I think it's more about how somebody uses the toolbar than who. If you feel like somebody is absolutly abusing it, just exclude that person. Same thing with people who never returns gift, I simply just don't send them! :)

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Ha, Next! I remember now! That was when I was on some really nice drugs because I hurt my knee, and yes, it was in the days when Viet wasn't a moderator. Gah, that seem s like forever ago...

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I'm going to throw my 2 cents in here on using the Snag Bar, and make a suggestion I hope Next, Viet and all will strongly consider.

Some of you absolutely THRIVE on this drama of GU vs The World. In my opinion, it ruins the game for many players, is driving folks FROM FarmVille, and is NOT worth the drama. Nobody wants to listen to or cares about the many AWESOME features of using GU, just the snag bar.

Although I am a very strong supporter of GU, I've been on the fence a long time about using the Snag bar. Personally, I don't, but that's because I'm established and have found NOTHING on FarmVille that a couple actual US Dollars won't solve.

I also remember what it was like to be a Farmer with 50 FB friends, 30 FV neighbors and running out of fuel. At that point what I really, really needed was a gold egg, just one, because there might be 20 refills in there and I'd be good for a month of long-term crops.

Sadly, most Snag Bar junkies are high-level farmers who really NEED nothing. They do it for the thrill of beating that Level 15 farmer to a Rhode Island Red egg. It's mean-spirited and precisely the kind of behavior that has all these ANTI-GU morons delirious and vengeful.

"It takes your gifts" "It steals Mafia Wars Loot" "It rapes my animals" "It causes cancer" "It knocked me up"

I hear this day in and day out by uninformed people who are otherwise nice folks and very hospitable farmers, but as you all know everybody gets very, very hot under the collar when it comes to using the snag bar. They feel raped, violated, and unhappy.

While most of the testosterone-laden internet fighters will take issue with that and say they don't care, let's put an end to this very DIVISIVE issue once and for all with a small modification to the Snag Bar itself:

GU should give snaggers or farmers a way of exempting people from the snag, specifically by checking for the presence of a certain string in every bonus posting, etc. If '#nosnag' is in the comment field, pass this one by and on to the next. Not only would it solve the issue of "I don't want snaggers on my friends list" but it removes the issue to all who care, and even gives the hostile anti-GU folks a little boost by letting them think they are accomplishing something.

With millions of people playing there would STILL be plenty to grab, but it would allow folks to post in peace knowing that people who truly are playing the game interactively are being rewarded.

Will that slow down the snag bar? Dunno. Maybe, but I do know that if anybody can make that happen and still have a very useful tool, the folks at GU can.

It would also go a LONG way towards ending all this hostility and drama in FarmVille. As I said before, there are many reasons to keep this feud going, none of which serve any of us in the long run.

I realize that may cut down on bar use, GU use, and hence the monetizing of the whole project, but it's a reasonable solution that could be implemented with a very simple programming change.

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Wow,looking back the two comments I made over a month ago is very strange in a sense because it shows how far I've come along with this community. It's been only a short time and this site has exploded into something I am still trying to take in. I remember when it was only 10,000 fans and barely anyone cared about the Snag Bar Tool much less just posting a comment on the site. We now have people defending the site and it's users, I repeat the site and not only the Snag Bar. What is more amazing is the amount of users connecting Gamers Unite with Facebook... over 1.3 million monthly active users - numbers provided by the Gamers Unite Fan Page on Facebook. As Chao would put it "I am in shock and awe" at what has become of all of this. Looking at all this now I am glad that I was in the middle about the whole Facebook Connect issue. I can certainly now have a decisive opinion about Facebook Connect and all I have to say about it is "If it ain't broken, don't fix it"

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I've already deleted the people who had a problem w/GU so I don't care either way. what I'd like to know is how come none of these people are making a ruckus over the official zynga toolbar, the bonus checker, which enables you to "snag" things that haven't even been posted yet! they blame GU for items disappearing when they're trying to share privately but the reality is it's the Official toolbar that allows that to happen.

People are in such an uproar over this website. its absurd!

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I agree with making a stand. To be honest, I've only had three people complain about the toolbar. I wrote back showing them proof that there facts were funky (not the word I used). Then, I explained how the toolbar worked. They thanked me (Yea I know, I should have taken pictures. How often do you get thanked for slapping the fluffy bunny community?) I'm still friends with two out of three. I would NOT give in to the "noisy minorities". This is your integrity here. Did you create something that you're ashamed of? I didn't think so. If anything, you have HELPED the community in many ways.
You offer support for those that are new, you offer speed for those that do not have all day to hover over the bonus button, and you offer what amounts to a community watch program, via the community. Your name sais it all "Gamers Unite". You are united, you ARE 144 thousand members strong! If WE were doing something wrong, facebook AND Farmville would have spoken! And not to the antagonists, but to US... or the developer of the site (who would have informed us if they had).
You, your patient admin, and the community members like Ed, farmer brown, and countless other top participants have made this place what it is. If you start backpedaling now, they will NOT stop biting at your heals until your gone, and us with you left to dance solo.
I've read somewhere that laughter is the best cure to many of life's bullies. IF they do NOT respect YOUR choice in how you play the game, laugh at them... just... laugh. To them, all they can see is there own puritarian ($5 sais I misspelled that) beliefs. They cannot see past it. Laugh at them for the silly wanabe e-muscles they're trying to flex and tell them there mama still loves them, even if you don't. And then, just get rid of them. Why stress? Out of 144 thousand members here that stand behind you, you will have no shortage of friends that believe as you do.

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I have to agree with the let it stay at is! (and yes robin, I'm following you now!) If we give in to the little things, we'll end up giving in on the bigger things.

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You know what?the he** with what the naysayers think. There is ALWAYS going to be someone against something. If you stand proud for what you have created then the people that believe in you and what you stand for are going to stand right behind you and help you along the way.

Yeah people are being outed for being a member, so what?Whether you make the snagbar with or without the connect, people are still going to call them names, and go against them, that's just the way Humanity is unfortunately.

Never back down, and never give up..you have quite the following, and we'll be behind you.

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leave it as is Next. every other group on fb uses it also. connect i mean. it doesnt matter why their friends are mad. the real issue is that their friends are uneducated.. this site has survived this much and has grown 20 fold in just a few short months. it will continue to do so. if you succumb to every small cry, and thats just what those are, we will be just another fan site. i dont know about you, but im pretty sure we are all here because we are tired of the other fan sites. this is yer baby next. nurture in yer vision. not anyone elses.

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The only reason why i heard of the snag bar was cuz someone kept on complaining about it and how it was cheating and made it seam like someone was stealing out of their gift box, but i find it no different than going threw all of the post on your wall to seee what you want, or using the farmville bar.
if people dont like me using the sang bar than unfriend me, i dont care, theres always going to be someone else who doesnt mind the snag bar, and why would they care anyway if were using it, its not like they can claim their own post.

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I only heard of GU because of all the people against it. I love the site. I say don't give in. I have told my friend who has a problem with this site that i joined. She hasn't unfriended me. I think every1 just needs to educate others about this site. I told my friends that they got the 3 spring eggs from this site. When I send them building materials it is because of this site.

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I would like to be able to post the eggs and bonuses for farmville friends, however my facebook friends who see the posts and dont play farmville are annoyed that I continue to post to the face book stream. Is there a way to post only to the farmville side?

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I have been harassed over and over about me being on Gamers Unite because of the snag bar. Yes I use the snag bar and will do so no matter where we are. This is called Gamers Unite, so that we must do and if they wish to remove us, oh well. I had friends before and will so after they are gone. Don't change anything to give in to these bullies. That what they want......POWER over us. They can go **** themselves as far as I see it.
Gamers Unite!!!!!!!

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then what about if we hide some of our friends in our application setting?i realy got tired of fv post on my wall,,,if i hide my fv friends the snag toolbar can snag any item or not?

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Thanks for the welcome :)
From what I've read, which has helped me, I don't think people will leave. I've read most things over the past couple of days and it gave me courage to post and now I'll be able to take part. :D
I think it will become tighter. :)

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